I remember the day I got these jeans. They were my 2nd pair of Dr.Denims. That was all of 18 months ago. Now they have been washed once and look and fit great. The day I bought them, I also bought a pair of Terence Raw denim. They're going into the wash next week. I'll keep you updated. They're a heavier denim than those used on Ormond, but also a favourite, because I like the Terence model.