These are my pair of Ormonds. They've been worn maybe once a week for 18 months without a wash. This is what they looked like before the wash. They're made from a light weight denim, compared to the Raymonds I'm testing now, plus they're not Selvage Denim.
As you can see, the knees were very stretched, and so was the waist. They have over the years, become a favourite pair, particularly in summer, because they're made from a light weight denim, hence not very warm. They are however very skinny.
Tomorrow I'll publish some photos these Ormonds after the wash, so you can see the difference.